Thursday, March 20, 2025

Exploring Top Prospect Lists: Age

So far in this series, we’ve introduced the data we’re examining, then looked at overall performance by ranking and broken the results down between pitchers and hitters. Now, we’re going for something more granular: examining top prospect lists by player age.

Just as it is for major league players, age is critically important in assessing a prospect’s future. If you have a league average hitter in AA, that performance is extraordinary if the player is 18, promising if he’s 21, and completely uninspiring if he’s 24. The younger the player, the more room he has to develop.

Of course, prospect evaluators already know this. A teenager who makes any noise at all in even the low minors can rocket up the rankings very quickly (recent examples would include Wander Franco – ugh – and Ethan Salas); by comparison, once you’re 25 or so, you’re likely not cracking the top 50 no matter how well you hit at AAA. The question is, are they handling the age adjustment correctly?

Splitting our 2300-player sample by age is going to wreak havoc on our sample sizes. There certainly won’t be enough 17- or 27-year-old players to produce any kind of usable numbers. The age groups I was able to produce with reasonable data sets up and down the rankings were: 19 and under, 20, 21, 22, and 23 and over. (Since these are offseason rankings, I used the player’s age as of January 1 rather than the oft-cited “baseball age” as of June 30; do with that information what you will.) Here are the player counts in each ranking bucket for each age group:

Rank

19U

20

21

22

23O

1-10

46

49

63

40

32

11-25

63

71

79

83

49

26-50

98

107

123

111

136

51-75

92

83

129

126

145

76-100

100

77

123

133

142

Total

399

387

517

493

504

You may notice that we’re using fewer ranking buckets for this check than we did for either the overall rankings or pitchers and hitters. If we didn’t do that, the samples would just be too small; there were only 12 top-five prospects 23 and over in the sample (basically one every other year). As we go through the results, it’s worth remembering that even though we’re not seeing more granular breakdowns near the top of the rankings for these subsets, we have already explored the overall performance of #1 prospects, and they do tend to substantially outperform #2-5, who in turn moderately outperform #6-10. I don’t see any reason to think that result wouldn’t be expected to hold here.

Also, we can get some initial results just from this table. The 23-and-over group has 26% more total top-100 prospects than 19-and-under, but the teenagers outpace the relative veterans 109-81 in top 25 placements. 20-year-olds are even more disproportionately represented in the top quartile, as they’ve had another year to establish themselves as professionals and climb the ranks, but are still young enough to dream of especially long, productive careers. As you move down, the pendulum swings toward the older prospects, who likely aren’t going to make many All-Star teams but may have already displayed a major-league-ready level of production in the high minors.

On to the actual WAR numbers. Let’s do average first:

Rank

19U

20

21

22

23O

1-10

32.4

21.6

20.5

20.9

21.6

11-25

17.5

12.3

15.5

13.8

15.1

26-50

12.7

13.0

10.1

11.2

10.2

51-75

8.8

8.7

8.2

7.5

8.3

76-100

10.2

6.6

6.8

6.3

5.9

Fairly decisive win for the teenagers here, especially in the upper echelons; from age 20 and up, I don’t see much to distinguish between the groups. But as we’ve mentioned before, the average is prone to being skewed by a couple of outliers, so if (say) Alex Rodriguez spent two years in the top 10 as a teenager, well, it might throw things off a bit. Let’s go to the median:

Rank

19U

20

21

22

23O

1-10

25.3

11.2

13.5

14.9

17.9

11-25

9.7

6.4

6.1

9.0

10.5

26-50

6.2

5.9

5.8

3.0

4.5

51-75

1.2

0.9

0.9

2.2

2.8

76-100

0.6

0.9

0.5

0.8

1.5

The upper-tier teenagers still fare well, but once you get out of the top 50 you’ll get more reliability with the 24-year-old in AAA who profiles as a #4 starter or a utility infielder. 23-and-over is actually treated pretty favorably here, posting the highest median in three of the five ranking groups. This is probably where I should point out that not all 23-and-overs are created equal, as this group will include players coming over from places like Japan or Cuba who would have been in MLB years earlier if afforded the opportunity. That said, especially in the larger groups, the number of special cases won’t be enough to skew the results much.

There’s an effect here that is likely expected, but still nice to see borne out in the results. The teenagers ranked outside the top 50 have comparatively high average outcomes, but comparatively low medians. That is natural for a group that produces more extreme outcomes, both positive and negative. Let’s see if this carries further by looking at ceilings and floors. Ceiling first – let’s look at the 80th-percentile outcome for each subgroup:

Rank

19U

20

21

22

23O

1-10

55.2

39.9

34.3

35.7

39.4

11-25

29.0

22.3

34.0

26.2

28.1

26-50

18.6

22.4

20.0

20.2

15.7

51-75

15.5

18.8

17.2

15.2

14.8

76-100

15.8

11.0

13.0

10.8

11.1

Top-10 teenage prospects inspire big dreams, and they should; that upper-quartile outcome is a Hall of Fame candidate. That being said, as you move down the list, the high-level results for the youngsters aren’t especially out of step with their older counterparts. The 23-and-olders are the weakest group by ceiling, but even that result isn’t crippling.

How about floor? We’ll use 30th percentile here – I looked at 20th first, but almost no group of prospects has anything like a favorable 20th-percentile outcome. Going up a bit allows for a little daylight to creep into the results:

Rank

19U

20

21

22

23O

1-10

8.0

4.8

6.9

7.5

11.6

11-25

0.4

0.7

1.4

1.0

3.5

26-50

0.1

0

0.6

0.1

0.4

51-75

0

0

0

0

0

76-100

0

0

-0.2

0

0

Even looking at non-worst case results, the floor is less than inspiring, especially for players outside the top 25. But for the higher ranking groups, you’ve got a better chance of at least getting some value out of a relative bust if the player is in the older age bracket, and that’s about what you’d expect.

That, I think, is a sufficient (arguably excessive) number of tables for this topic. The results were less obviously decisive than what we saw with hitters and pitchers, but I feel fairly comfortable with the following conclusions: BA’s evaluators have generally done a good job adjusting for age in prospect evaluation, as no single group stands out as consistently overrated or underrated here. The conventional assessment of prospect age groups (young ones have higher ceilings, old ones have higher floors) is basically accurate. And if you want to roll the dice on really impressing a friend, pick a teenage top-10 prospect and pencil them in for a Hall of Fame induction in 25 years; there’s something like a 20% chance you’ll be right.

In fact, your odds in that regard are notably better if you pick a position player, which makes sense based on the results we saw last time. I’m not doing a full multi-axis breakdown of prospect performance here, but I did go through manually and pull every top-10 teenage position player from the 23 years we're considering. There were 29 such entries, and 12 of them came from either Hall of Famers (Adrian Beltre, Ivan Rodriguez, Chipper Jones, Joe Mauer), players who are on the cusp of being voted in (Andruw Jones), players who are enormously likely to get in someday (Mike Trout, Bryce Harper), or players who would easily be in if not for steroid use (Alex Rodriguez). 12/29 is just over 40%.

Careful observers will note that the list above contained eight distinct players, but 12 top-10 appearances. Four of the players had multiple top-10 showings as teenagers and are counted twice (as did two additional non-Hall candidates); if you want to filter out the duplicates, the result is 8/23, still over a third. But this does bring up a salient point. Players who spend multiple years in the top 100 have been playing a silent role in our results all along, but we haven’t spent much effort considering them so far.

Next time, we’ll change that, and try to determine whether the classic old-timey advice applies in this context: Should a member of a top prospect list act like they’ve been here before?

Monday, March 17, 2025

Exploring Top Prospect Lists: Pitchers and Hitters

So far in this series, we’ve introduced the data we’re using to examine top prospect lists and looked at how prospects perform by ranking position. Moving forward, there are a number of ways we could try subdividing these results. How old was the player at the time of the ranking? What level of leagues had he played in? What was his original draft position? Had he made a prior appearance in a top prospect list? How long ago was he drafted or signed? What was his scouting profile? How far away was his expected MLB debut?

Some of those things we may look at later; others will be beyond the scope of the resources available to me. But we’ll start with the most basic question: Was the prospect a hitter or a pitcher?

This is a more complicated topic than you might expect, partly because some prospects are considered to have the ability to either hit or pitch (you may have heard of at least one guy who’s recently performed pretty well in both roles at the MLB level), and partly because my data source for BA’s old lists (Baseball Cube) is a little wonky on positional listings. Most notably, they list Rick Ankiel as an outfielder; when Ankiel was the #1 prospect in baseball, nobody was expecting him to end up in the outfield. I have adjusted Ankiel’s listing (as well as that of Jason Lane, an outfield prospect who pulled a reverse Ankiel late in his career), but there may well be similar cases of which I am unaware. (As a side note, this issue also prevents a more detailed positional breakdown of prospects, such as catchers vs. infielders vs. outfielders.)

First question: How many pitchers are we dealing with? After correcting Ankiel and Lane, there are 1022 of our 2300 prospects with a position listed simply as “pitcher.” The only player from 1990-2012 listed with pitcher alongside another position is Brooks Kieschnick, who was an outfielder as a prospect and added pitching later in his career, so 1022 will be our working total. That’s a bit over 44% of the total players. But if you look only at the top 10, you get 84/230, 36.5%. Top 5, it’s 39/115, roughly a third. And for #1, it’s 6/23, just over a quarter.

Six is not a sustainable sample size when looking for a success rate among pitchers ranked #1 overall, so we’ll have to combine the top ranking with at least one other bucket. Even doing that, the samples mentioned above are significantly reduced from what we were considering before eliminating over half of the player set. With that in mind, let's look at the results. Going by percentiles as before, here are the performances of pitchers ranked in the following groups by BA from 1990-2012, by career bWAR:

Percentile

#1-5

#6-10

#11-15

#16-25

#26-50

#51-75

#76-100

90

35.7

49.1

46.2

28.5

20.1

20.2

15.8

80

27.6

23.8

29.3

16.8

14.4

12.5

8.9

70

20.4

17.4

20.4

11.3

10.0

6.1

5.2

60

15.2

13.0

16.6

5.9

6.1

3.1

2.0

50

9.4

10.9

10.0

4.6

2.7

0.9

0.7

40

8.4

7.4

7.2

1.2

1.1

0.1

0.0

30

4.9

4.7

3.9

0.0

0.0

0.0

0.0

20

0.2

0.2

0.8

-0.1

-0.2

-0.2

-0.2

10

0.0

0.0

-0.1

-1.3

-0.5

-0.8

-1.0

Players

39

45

42

102

242

273

279

The top three groups are essentially indistinguishable, and then there’s a fairly steady decline. The bust odds are also pretty striking, even in comparison to the overall table by ranking we looked at last time. This should come as very little surprise to anyone who’s followed baseball for any length of time: pitchers get hurt.

Also, the overall performances by these groups (both in median outcome and in higher percentiles) are down pretty sharply in comparison to the overall sample. My tentative suspicion is that BA failed to keep up with the changes in pitcher workload over this period; a young starting pitcher looks a lot more valuable if you’re expecting 220 innings per year than he does if you anticipate 180.

That being said, if you look at the sample size in each group, you’ll notice that the percentages of pitchers generally get higher as you move down the rankings, so BA did at least determine that pitchers often don’t match up well with the very best position players. This may have partly come from early experience, as the first three top-100 rankings (1990-92) had eight total pitchers among the 15 top-five spots; the 20 years following had only 31 of 100. Their first three #1 prospects were all pitchers; only three of the next 20 could say the same, and after 2007 (Daisuke Matsuzaka), they didn’t put another pitcher in the top spot until this year (Roki Sasaki).

Given that the numbers posted by the pitchers were almost uniformly lower than the ones from the combined sample, the table of non-pitcher results probably holds few surprises. But here are the results anyway:

Percentile

#1-5

#6-10

#11-15

#16-25

#26-50

#51-75

#76-100

90

85.3

58.4

57.1

33.7

41.8

32.2

28.1

80

55.2

43.4

41.0

27.2

28.1

20.1

15.5

70

44.4

30.2

28.5

18.3

15.8

11.9

10.1

60

35.0

23.3

26.0

12.9

10.0

6.6

5.6

50

26.3

14.0

19.9

8.3

6.5

3.2

1.7

40

18.1

11.3

13.0

3.0

2.8

0.3

0.1

30

11.2

6.0

7.5

1.2

0.4

0.0

-0.1

20

6.3

3.2

3.7

0.0

-0.2

-0.4

-0.6

10

3.1

-0.2

-0.1

-1.2

-1.2

-1.3

-1.3

Yeah. Not to put too fine a point on it, but over this sample at least, you’d have been better off with a position player ranked from 11-15 than with a pitcher from any of the groups, including 1-5. As far as players in the same bucket go, the position players had better results in every single group, often by a hefty margin.

In fact, this result is extreme enough that I think BA themselves may have noticed. As noted above, over 44% of BA’s top-100 prospects from 1990-2012 were pitchers. Over the last 5 years, BA has placed the following totals of pitchers in their top 100 lists: 35, 32, 28, 31, 31. The adjustment that they made early on in the highest echelons of the top prospect list seems to have percolated all the way down at this point.

Our original caveat to this analysis was that if BA adjusts how they do their rankings (which it seems they have), these results may not apply to the current data. That being said, the original results were sufficiently decisive that I suspect they will still serve as a good indicator. Given the continued decrease in pitcher workloads and the persistent preponderance of pitcher injuries, I would expect position player prospects to remain the better bet moving forward.

Up next, we’ll look at something a bit more involved than a simple yes-or-no question, and a factor that prospect evaluators discuss non-stop: How do the results vary for players of different ages?